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Deadline for public input is Nov 19!

BLM is in talks with Agua Caliente Indians to swap land in the Palm Springs area. See the link below for a news story with a map of parcels being traded and some good background info.

The main concern for mountain bikers is that the Indians do not allow mountain biking on their land. This swap would give the band significant control over trailheads and could make several of the Goat trails, Wildhorse Trail, Garstin, Thielman, and Indian Potrero off limits to bikes. The band says they have "no plans at this time" to restrict access, but that sounds suspiciously like they know exactly what they're gonna do and just don't want to stir up opposition.

This could also have significant impact on hikers and equestrians. The band charges access to hikers and equestrians to access trails in Indian Canyons, and similar access fees and restrictions could be added to these trails as well. The Skyline aka Cactus to Clouds trail which climbs from Palm Springs to the tram on San Jacinto Mountain would also be affected by the land swap, with possible fees and/or limits to access. This is the main concern of the hiking community.

The land swap agreement states that the band would manage trails and access to trails the same way BLM does now, but they would be able to back out of that part of the agreement with one year’s notice.

This is not simply having trails classified “no bikes”. Once this land is swapped with the Indians, it is their land and they can do what they want with it.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_ ... 50c19.html

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(note I think the two green parcels should be one square left, looking at MTB Bill’s map which identifies quadrants owned by the band http://www.mountainbikebill.com/images/ ... rthMap.jpg
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The parcels that BLM will receive have little value from a recreational perspective. I thought perhaps they had some endangered species or other value, but that does not appear to be the case. The parcels the Indians will receive include portions of popular trails, are significantly larger in area, and include land adjacent to expensive homes in Palm Springs which would make the land very valuable. I cannot understand how BLM thinks this is a good deal – BLM has a responsibility to make sure this deal is in the public’s best interest. No one seems to see how this is in the public's best interest except BLM and the Indians.


I'll post up a sample letter and contact info on Monday. There are a number of points to make including lack of benefit to public, lack of notice to public, significant recreation values which could be lost, etc.

In the meantime you can google BLM Land swap Palm springs if you want to read up on it more. There is some good info on this forum --> http://www.mtsanjacinto.info/viewtopic.php?t=2569


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i'll be sending a letter in IMMEDIATELY.

THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED! PERIOD.
all you bastards on this site need to help out and type up a letter as well.



Evan, is this contatc info the correct place to send?
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Anyone can comment on the land exchange. Letters can be sent to John Kalish, Field Manager, Bureau of Land Management, 1201 Bird Center Drive, Palm Springs, CA 92262. Alternatively, emails can be addressed to John Kalish and sent to Diane Gomez, a realty specialist who works for John Kalish. Her email address is Diane_Gomez@blm.gov

In letters or emails to the BLM, include the following reference near the top of the letter or message:

Re: CACA 42965
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I'm writing up something for this one, this is a bunch of crap. Why would they swap lands?

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DONE! If anybody wants a letter to copy, paste and email shoot me a PM with your email address ...

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Yeah, this seems like a bad deal for lots of groups. I wonder if the there is more in play such as water rights and the land leases over which most of the developed Coachella Valley sits. After reading the hiker thread Evan linked, I agree with some comments that development plans by the AC tribe explains a lot. If I have time, I'll dig into the public docs for more 411.

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Italo yes those should be the BLM contacts. I suspect blm has likely made up its mind already so we also need to write to our state and federal politicians. For an issue like this it will add significant weight to our comments to educate ourselves on this a bit before responding, which is why I suggested waiting til monday. And be polite and professional when you reply - no 'your mom' jokes, they wouldn't take one seriously since they've probably seen the chimp video by now ;)


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Italo yes those should be the BLM contacts. I suspect blm has likely made up its mind already so we also need to write to our state and federal politicians. For an issue like this it will add significant weight to our comments to educate ourselves on this a bit before responding, which is why I suggested waiting til monday. And be polite and professional when you reply - no 'your mom' jokes, they wouldn't take one seriously since they've probably seen the chimp video by now ;)





you mean i cant email the BLM dude and threaten to knock his mom up???? WTF man???

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Italo yes those should be the BLM contacts. I suspect blm has likely made up its mind already so we also need to write to our state and federal politicians. For an issue like this it will add significant weight to our comments to educate ourselves on this a bit before responding, which is why I suggested waiting til monday. And be polite and professional when you reply - no 'your mom' jokes, they wouldn't take one seriously since they've probably seen the chimp video by now ;)



you mean i cant email the BLM dude and threaten to knock his mom up???? WTF man???



That's right -- and don't threaten to disrupt his breathing either . . . .

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I'm confused.

Looking at http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/ ... change.pdf page 25, several sections of important trails will be transferred to the tribe and managed by "Indian Canyons Master Plan and the Land Use Code" and closed to bikes "The Indian Canyons Master Plan, which includes lands currently used for trails, supports various types of low impact recreation activities, including hiking and horseback riding." pg 33.

pg 35: "Given the general prohibition of bicycles on lands managed by the Tribe and an assumption that bicycles are allowed on lands managed by the BLM, Tables 5 and 11 suggest that 2.3 miles of trails would become additionally available to bicycles upon acquisition of Tribal lands by the BLM, and 9.3 miles of trails would be closed to bicycles upon transfer of BLM lands to the Tribe, thereby resulting in a net loss of bicycling opportunities on 7.0 miles of trails."

But the table on pg 36 shows several transferred sections of trail will stay open:
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I'm thinking a comment letter that asks that all trails now open to bike remain open to bikes, can't hurt.

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The land ownership in and around Palm Springs is a checkerboard pattern. Look on Bill's map of Palm Canyon. The Indians own some random chunks and BLM owns some random chunks, with some other private land in there too.

As a result, some trails may cross a bit of Indian land but be primarily on BLM land, and some vice versa. I think there is some sort of agreement that the Indians won't restrict biking on trails where they just own a piece, or where the trail is a key connector to other trails.

Under this deal however, more land would go to them and they will want to restrict bikes. A couple trails that will now close aren't great for biking unless you're a masochist like DFT. The others that will remain open are likely open because of whatever deal BLM has with the Indians - I'm not familiar with it, just what's mentioned in that document.


Regardless, the comment about no net loss of bike trails is a good idea, and I'll add it into my letter which I'm just about done. Should have it up, along with contact info shortly.


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^^^Maybe add if any trail is closed due to the transfer, that amount or more of new bike trail should be built on BLM land.

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Here is some more info, plus a sample letter, and all kind of contact info so people can send in comments before the deadline (this Friday Nov 19!!!)

It is suggested by some to submit comments electronically (email, webpage submittal) so that it is easier to record them, harder to lose them, and to guarantee they are received on time. I've tried to include physical addresses so you can send letters also if you like.

Ultimately its hard to tell what the true impact will be on users since all the Tribe will say is they have no plans to change the way the trails are managed (except of course, no bikes).

Links:

BLM Land Swap Technical Report. The table 406 posted is from this doc. See pages 24-25 and 34-37.
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/ ... change.pdf

Coachella Valley Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan (CVMSHCP). - This is a planning document under which public land in the valley is to be managed. They will be funded to purchase private land for conservation. See section 7 for info on trails management. This plan will close a few trails to biking but not too bad, and will allow new ones (Hopalong Cassidy trail was built under this plan!). This plan is mainly concerned with Bighorn sheep and their humping season.
http://www.cvmshcp.org/
http://www.cvmshcp.org/Plan%20Documents ... %207.0.pdf (Section 7) See pages 52-75

Tribal Habitat Conservation Plan (THCP) - this is the document the Tribe uses to manage its land. Scroll down to link for Appendix D, Trails Plan. They actually seem to do a good job of managing land, except of course for the no bikes thing.
http://www.aguacaliente.org/planning.html

Contacts: If time is limited I'd suggest writing Kalish, Salizar, Bono-Mack, Boxxer and Feinstein

BLM Contacts: (be sure to include reference number below for BLM and government contacts)

Reference:
CACA-42965
2200
(CA-066.62)


John R. Kalish
Field Manager
Bureau of Land Management
1201 Bird Center Drive
Palm Springs, California 92262
John_Kalish@blm.gov

Diane Gomez, a realty specialist who works for John Kalish
Bureau of Land Management
1201 Bird Center Drive
Palm Springs, California 92262
Diane_Gomez@blm.gov

JIM ABBOTT , ACTING STATE DIRECTOR
BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT JURISDICTION
2800 COTTAGE WAY, SUITE W-1834
SACRAMENTO, CA 95825
Director@blm.gov

TERI RAML, DISTRICT MGR.
BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT
CALIFORNIA DESERT DISTRICT
22835 CALLE SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS
MORENO VALLEY, CA 992553
http://www.blm.gov/ca/forms/feedback/index.php?fo=6

MR. BOB ABBEY, BLM DIRECTOR
DEPT. OF THE INTERIOR
1849 C. ST., NW
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20240
Director@blm.gov

Other key government contacts:

Mary Bono-Mack

CONGRESSWOMAN MARY BONO MACK
707 E. TAHQUITZ CYN WY., STE 9
PALM SPRINGS, CA 92262

CONGRESSWOMAN MARY BONO MACK
104 CANNON HOUSE OFFICE BLDG.
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20515

https://bono.house.gov/Contact_Mary/ContactForm.htm


Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Interior
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, N.W.
Washington DC 20240
feedback@ios.doi.gov
kensalazar@ios.doi.gov

Senator Dianne Feinstein, United States Senate, 331 Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/inde ... Us.EmailMe
Re: CACA-42965 2200 (CA-066.62)


Senator Barbara Boxer, 112 Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510
http://boxer.senate.gov/en/contact/policycomments.cfm Re: CACA-42965 2200 (CA-066.62)


Other people worth writing to:

Palm Springs Mayor Steve Pougnet
Steve.Pougnet@palmsprings-ca.gov

City of Palm Springs Planning:
3200 E Tahquitz Canyon WayStaff conducting a final site inspection
Palm Springs, CA 92262
Phone: (760) 323-8245
Fax: (760) 322-8360
http://www.palmspringsca.gov/index.aspx ... g+Services

Desert Sun newspaper address: mydesert.com/letters Remember to keep letters under 200 words.


Sample Letter: (please personalize as you see fit and update depending on who the comment is being sent to).

Quote:
November 16, 2010

Re: CACA-42965
2200
(CA-066.62)

Palm Springs BLM Land Swap


Dear Mr. Kalish,

I am writing to express my opposition to the Palm Springs BLM & Indian land swap referenced above. This is simply a bad deal for the American public. The BLM is not meeting its two key obligations in this deal, which are to ensure meaningful public participation, and to ensure there is public gain from the deal and that land swapped is of equal value. As neither of these have been met I demand that the land swap be cancelled.

Despite being in talks since 1999, the BLM has provided little notice to the public that this deal is in the works. It has not explained to the public what the benefits are, and it has not provided adequate forums or sufficient time for the public to respond. This land swap is of such importance that it should receive widespread publication, public meetings, and further extension of the public comment period to ensure that all stakeholders have the opportunity to participate. However, this is not happening.

There has been no discussion with the people most affected by this deal--the people of Palm Springs, and the Southern California hiking and mountain bike communities. Many people are learning of this swap at the last minute, from home-made signs posted at trailheads. The lack of notice and public participation afforded by the BLM is totally unacceptable. The BLM has the legal responsibility to do more to involve the public.

While the BLM has authority under the National Monument Act to enter into a land deal, it does not have the authority to make an unequal exchange or to eliminate an important public benefit. In fact, the BLM is required by federal law to execute this deal only if it represents a public gain, and only if the lands exchanged have equal value. The lands which will transfer to the BLM under this deal are not an equal value – in fact, we are receiving substantially less in terms physical area, in terms of monetary land value, and in terms of recreational value, than we are giving up to the Tribe.

The BLM will receive 2.3 square miles of beautiful but remote land, but is giving up over 9 square miles. The land transferring to the Tribe includes many popular hiking and mountain biking trails. The Tribe restricts access to its land by limiting operating hours and by charging fees. This could shut down the iconic Skyline (Cactus to Clouds) Trail, because hikers must start early in the morning to safely complete the hike, and this would no longer be possible. Furthermore, the Tribe prohibits mountain biking on its land, meaning there will be significant loss of access to that user group as well. Many hikers and mountain bikers travel from all over Southern California to use these trails, and restrictions or loss of access will keep many of them away. Despite the promise of continued access to trails, the management plan signed with the Tribe is of little value because it can be cancelled at any time with one year’s notice. The BLM should not accept any deal where there is restricted access for hikers or loss of trails to mountain bikers. This is a matter of significant public interest.

The National Monument land being given up by the BLM has great value to the public: value to its health, to its enjoyment of life, and to its concern for the preservation of wilderness. For many people, these areas are the jewels of the National Monument and it is unthinkable that the BLM would give them up. They are irreplaceable.

This appears to be little more than a lopsided, unfair exchange of public land that shrinks the size of a National Monument by seven square miles. People currently enjoy free and simple access to these trails. Why, at a time when fewer Americans than ever before recreate outside, would we want to make it harder for people to take a hike or bike ride? Why, at a time when Palm Springs is hurting for tourist dollars and its downtown is struggling, would we restrict access to the area’s most famous trail? What possible public good comes from this exchange? There is no public good. This land swap is bad for the American public. Please do the right thing, and cancel it.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

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A terse sample letter below. Cut and paste and email should take < 30 sec, NO EXCUSES!!!! Add another 30 sec if you want to change the letter slightly. Maybe another 30 sec to email/web contact the other people on evdog's list.
DEADLINE = November 19, 2010!!!!

to: John_Kalish@blm.gov
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John R. Kalish
Field Manager
Bureau of Land Management
1201 Bird Center Drive
Palm Springs, California 92262

Subject: proposed BLM-Tribe land exchange

re: CACA-42965
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(CA-066.62)


Mr. Kalish,

I am writing to express my opposition to any loss of mountain bike trail access due to the proposed land exchange between the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians (Tribe). I live in Southern California and frequently mountain bike on the trails that are on BLM parcels of land that are being proposed to be transferred to the Tribe. These trails are some of the best in Southern California and offer a unique way to explore the desert.

The Tribe traditionally prohibits mountain biking on their land, meaning there will be significant loss of access because any trail that pass through land managed by the Tribe will effectively close the entire length ( BLM managed portions ) of that trail to bikes. Many hikers and mountain bikers travel from all over Southern California to use these trails, and restrictions or loss of access is unfairly prohibitive to people wanting non-motorized recreation. Despite the promise of continued access to trails, the management plan signed with the Tribe is of little value because it can be canceled at any time with one year’s notice. The BLM should not accept any deal with restricted access for hikers or loss of trails to mountain bikers.


Sincerely,
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{your address}

cc. Diane Gomez, Bob Abbey, Ken Salazar

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A terse sample letter below. Cut and paste and email should take < 30 sec, NO EXCUSES!!!! Add another 30 sec if you want to change the letter slightly. Maybe another 30 sec to email/web contact the other people on evdog's list.
DEADLINE = November 19, 2010!!!!

to: John_Kalish@blm.gov
cc: Director@blm.gov, Diane_Gomez@blm.gov, kensalazar@ios.doi.gov
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